7-15 Saul Anuzis

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Al Jazeera arabic and Al Jazeera American.

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I did the Arabic one so it’s translated, but it was bigger audience on the air.

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Right, right.

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That’s interesting.

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Yeah.

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So and I like I’ve been doing a lot of international stuff.

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I work with a group called National Interest Foundation that’s trying to promote Middle Eastern US relations.

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Right.

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So was just in Turkey for just toss it down here.

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Yeah, thanks, man.

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I was in Turkey for a conference we did three weeks ago and then went to school.

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My son’s wedding.

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Wow.

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I just got back.

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What’s? Turkey? I’ve never been to Turkey.

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Everyone’s at beautiful cities in the world, and then you go outside of Istanbul, it’s got some of the greatest beaches.

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Phenomenal place.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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I want to get over there one of these days.

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If you get a chance, you should go turkey, Morocco.

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There’s a couple of places over there that I’m dying.

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Morocco, I’d like to go to.

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David Fisher was the Ambassador of Morocco from Michigan under Trump.

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But Morocco’s had some strike with the radical Islamists and stuff like that.

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So I’ve been a lot of those countries over there are yeah.

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Oh, yeah.

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Thanks, man.

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Turkey is pretty hardcore.

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They don’t let any of that stuff get out of the way.

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Yeah, they need to be starting that here.

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over a minute now is an island for its own country.

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And that’s where they train.

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Literally half the terrorists in the world are trained down there.

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And unless you’ve experienced it and watched it, I don’t think people really get the danger.

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We don’t even see the dangers happening under our own noses.

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I mean, take a look at what’s happening in San Francisco.

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We take a look at all we as Americans are very isolated.

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There’s a reason these calls the ugly American because most people never travel outside the country.

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Right.

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Most people have no idea the cultural differences that most countries have.

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Right.

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Religiousity is much less than it used to be with many people.

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And so very few of the faiths are as faithful as it used to be participating church or services, et cetera.

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But what do you see in Michigan? Because Michigan’s got huge Muslim populations coming in.

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Minnesota, same thing.

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When I was a party, I used to go down there and we’d get 50, 60% of the vote of the Arab American vote in the Muslim boat because they’re conservative, family oriented.

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There’s a lot of Lebanese there too, but it’s the hardcore muscle.

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But you get both.

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I mean, you take a look at the more faith.

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So there’s two different ways of looking at they get faithful and radicalized, and they’re not the same.

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Just because somebody is a devout muzzle doesn’t make them a radicalized muzzle.

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Right? And so there may be devout, but also if you go through the Quran and all that stuff, it says like anybody of faith is an acceptable person.

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So the infidels is person who doesn’t have anything.

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Got it? Right.

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So there’s a difference.

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So if you’re a Catholic or Jew, throughout the Quran they basically say you honor these people.

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Right.

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Because they have their people of faith and they believe it’s the same God.

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It’s just different ways of believing it.

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Right.

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We may call them God, they call them Allah, but it’s still God.

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And the crayon is very positive about Jesus Christ, Virgin Mary, et cetera.

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So there’s a lot of references as long as they’re people of faith.

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But again, you got to be careful because it’s very easy to just put everybody in one big pot and that makes it really tough.

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Yeah, it’s scary to me and I see like Talib and the other what’s the one? Elon Omar.

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Really bad.

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I mean really bad.

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And it’s setting its own we’re started it.

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You hear you had the first black president who could have really calmed down the country and instead of helping race relations, I think he made it worse.

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He lit it up, politicized it all and made it very difficult for us to overcome.

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And I think he made a step backwards historically.

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I think people will see him as being a divisive president who wasn’t very effective and probably hurt the country more than helped the country.

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Yeah, agree.

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100% agree.

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We take a look at some of those videos he did where he’s talking directly to black people.

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He goes, look, we have to stick together.

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And you’re going, no, this is the guy that was kind of going, yeah, can you imagine that? Hey listen fellow crackers, we got to stick together.

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freedom Fest 2022, live from the floor of Freedom Fest.

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What a great day this has been here all kinds of stuff going on here.

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We got Steve Forbes out on one stage right now, del Big Tree on another stage.

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But most importantly right here in studio I’ve got my I call him Uncle Saul because he is the uncle to all great politics.

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Saul Anus.

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Saul, how are you man? Great and getting better.

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It was good to have you with us.

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You’re best known, I think for you coming in single handedly and turning the Republican Party around in the state of Michigan.

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I want to talk a little bit about your history and politics.

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What brought you to that point? You would run for national chairman at one time.

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Then we’re going to go into national popular vote, which I know is a big issue for you.

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Sure.

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But how do you get started in politics? Well, like most people, I was in college and I grew up in the city of Detroit and thought I was a Democrat.

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My father spent 32 years in the factory as a UAW member.

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And then back in 1979 I actually met Ted Kennedy and I was at the Economics Club in Detroit and heard him speak and he represented everything that was wrong with politics, to me at least.

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And I really hadn’t been involved until then.

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And I paid attention to what he had to say and I said, Well, I know I’m not a Democrat, therefore I must be a Republican.

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And I made an effort of going out and meeting people and I got involved in politics back then at the university level.

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Became the youngest delegate at the 1980 Republican Convention for Ronald Reagan, started getting involved in local politics.

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And in 2005 I ran for state party chairman.

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Became a party chairman after that, was a national committee man, served several years at the RNC and then I actually ran for RNC chairman twice, once against Michael Steele and once against Rice Priebus.

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Right.

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Two guys that should have not ever been there, I believe, to start with.

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Let me ask you something.

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When you took over as party chairman in Michigan, it was a mess.

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How do you clean it up? Because you have a lot of national or a lot of state parties out there that need a good cleaning house.

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Yeah, look, I think the key is that you have to reach out to all the constituencies.

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Michigan is a very diverse state.

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We have a huge manufacturing base.

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We have a huge agricultural base.

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We actually have the largest population of Americans who are Jewish.

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We have the largest population of Americans who happen to be Arab Americans.

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And so you have to find a way to work with all of them and bring them together and have the conversations.

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I think the one thing we did is we went out and worked very hard at the grassroots, building up a very strong grassroots level.

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Our county chairs were very strong, our district chairs were strong.

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We had a caucus with the House and the Senate caucus that we built up to the point of actually being able to elect the majority.

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And the Senate side held it for over 30 years.

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This will be the first time they actually challenge it.

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So I think that grassroots matter, talking to people matters, reaching out to people matters, and we’ve been blessed to have a good financial support too.

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You had Betsy the Boss on your show yesterday.

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I actually followed Betsy as chairman and she was a chair right before me and she literally was the first chairman that came in and cleaned up the financial house in there.

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And I was the first chairman, I think, in 18 years that took over without a debt and it was due to the fact that our local stepped up and we had reestablished a party that was actually talking to the grassroots and meeting people.

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We’ve only got a couple of minutes and I do want to have you back in here later today if you can come back in again.

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What’s some great advice for people who are needing to rebuild a state party, california, for instance.

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I spend a good part of my time in California, one of the most dysfunctional Republican parties in the country.

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What’s good advice for building the structure? What do you need to build to have a great state party? Well, I think first of all, you have to try to stop the infighting.

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We tend to be very good at shooting ourselves in the foot as Republicans.

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I think this is going to be a great Republican year if we don’t shoot ourselves at the point.

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And so part of it is actually getting people to sit down around the table and agree that we have to rebuild a party, that we have to have a stronger party that reaches the grassroots.

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If you look at what Donald Trump did with a culturally conservative, blue collar, working class American who is now making up the base of the Republican Party, to me, it’s bringing it back to the Reagan Democrats.

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That really made us majority party.

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So part of it is reaching out to people with a message that matters.

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And that’s why I think we’re talking about inflation and the tax and the influence that has every single week American families feel the cost of inflation as they buy their groceries, fill up their gas tanks, et cetera.

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That is a very tough place for the Democrats to be trying to compete against us on issues that Americans feel every day right now, before you go, I want to talk about National Popular Vote.

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This has been an issue you’ve been working on since I’ve known you, and it’s big.

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Can you talk about what it is? Sure.

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Really quickly, there’s two proposals out there.

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One is the National Popular Vote constitutional amendment to eliminate the Electoral College and nationalized presidential elections, which I’m 100% opposed to, and I don’t know of any Republican or conservative that supports.

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There’s a second one that’s called the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact.

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And what that is is state legislatures are using their Article Two.

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Section One powers to determine how presidential electors are chosen and saying they’re going to use the National Popular Vote to elect their electors because that’ll force the election in all 50 states today.

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Three out of four Americans live in a state that is either decidedly Republican or decidedly Democrat and therefore are totally ignored when it comes to presidential elections.

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Right.

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So for all practical purposes, we elect presidents of the battleground states of America versus the President of the United States of America.

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I just want to make sure that every voter in every state is politically relevant every time.

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Guys, I believe we’re a center right nation.

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I’m very comfortable with our ideas.

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I think if we take our arguments to the American people republicans, conservatives, libertarian minded people are going to win.

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And I think the best way to do that is to make sure that every American is involved rather than having to target the few swing voters and maybe a given year in Florida or Ohio and pander to them where we give up on the issues that are important to America’s as a whole.

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Got it.

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Who’s supporting you and who’s pushing back? Well, we’ve got support all across the country.

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I mean, we’ve had thousands of Republican legislators in virtually every state co sponsor the bill.

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We’ve passed 15 states so far.

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The way the bill works is when you get state with 270 electoral votes or more in the compact, which is agreement between those states, then it kicks in because that’s the determinative number of electing a president.

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Right.

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Because they’re agreeing to vote as a block, people opposing it.

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There’s a group called Save Our States.

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They’re out there and they’re concerned about how the process would work, the implementation of the process.

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We both support keeping the Electoral College because it’s important that states retain control over presidential elections and we don’t nationalize them.

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But the big difference is, how do you make it work? I just think the winner take all rule perverts public policy and it prevents politics by making a very small group of states have disproportionate amount of influence and power in presidential politics.

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And I think it’s bad for the body politics.

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I think it’s very innovative what you’ve come up with.

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Thank you, one for being here, too.

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Thank you for what we do politically.

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Where do people find you? So you can go to Saulsnews.com, where every day I’m listed Saulsnews Saews.com.

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We’re posting information and articles of interest.

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And I’m on Facebook, Twitter, everywhere as Sansa.

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Love it.

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First, initial, last name.

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I get your newsletter.

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It’s fantastic.

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Thank you so much.

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Good to have you with us.

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You got to stop in again, too.

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They’re going to unmike you.

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Coming up next, we have got the amazing Spike Cohen.

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Spike Cohen, of course, the vice presidential candidate on the Libertarian ticket in 2020.

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Raised quite a stir.

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You see Spike all over the where is Spike? Is he popping in? There he is.

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Spike, how are you, buddy? Go ahead.

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That’s all right.

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Spike also a best selling author and co owner of Muddied Waters Media.

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And I want to talk a little bit about that.

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Absolutely.

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Some very fun stuff.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So, Spike, what have you been up to? I know you’re a big freedom guy.

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Here you are hanging out with us at the floor of Freedom Fest.

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What’s your mission right now? What do you got going on? My mission right now is to just be one of the many contributors here at Freedom Fest to what I believe is the most important part of spreading the liberty movement.

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And that is, if we’re going to as the theme of this Freedom Fest is if we’re going to turn the tide towards freedom and towards liberty, we need to be creating and growing a culture of freedom and liberty.

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And if you think of what a culture is it’s really just an accumulation of the customs and institutions and the arts and the figures and the history of a given society over time accumulating into the culture that it makes up.

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And that culture can often attract people to it and bring more people to it.

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And that’s the foundation that that society is built on.

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If you look at what’s happening at Freedom Fest if you look at what’s happening at Freedom Fest right now, we don’t just have political stuff here.

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Every aspect of a society is being represented here with a look towards freedom, the film and the arts, business, even people’s personal finances, even their health, every single aspect of life in society is being covered here at Freedom Fest in building that culture of liberty.

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Looks like you ran for vice president last time and you were all over the nation.

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I mean, you did a great job going around and speaking and stuff.

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What are you hearing from folks that are just kind of sick of the far right and the far left? What are you hearing? Because that seems to be who comes to you and interact with you, right? I hear a lot of, like, they’re against the divisiveness.

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They’re against the constant team Red versus team blue ropidote between the two parties.

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But I think more importantly, the average American, I’m not sure how much they’re even tuned into politics.

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They’re worried about things like, I can’t afford to fill my gas tank.

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Right? I can’t afford the cost of living.

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When I was campaigning in 2020, they were worried about things like, I don’t know when they’ll let me reopen my business or go back to work.

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I don’t know when my kids will be able to go to school again.

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And so what is basically a result of the political process that’s happening? They’re living out the real term consequences of that, and that’s their main concern.

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So what we as libertarians and we as liberty lovers need to do is understand that the vast majority of people, they’re concerned about their day to day life and how things are affecting them, right? If we can show the argument for how freedom is not just the best, most moral way and freest way to live, but it’s also the way to address the problems that they are facing, I think that will do incredible.

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Spike, something interesting.

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A lot of people feel like they either have to be in one vote or the other, Republican or a Democrat.

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The reality is most of us are in the middle.

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I wrote a book called The Common Sense 80% that did quite well last year talking about all of us.

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And I think libertarianism is really that Common Sense 80%, but it’s always kind of had this strange brand or whatever.

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Can you explain exactly what a libertarian is? Because I think most people would be surprised to know that they are libertarians, right? So the ten second version of libertarianism is libertarians believe that people do best when they’re most free.

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And we recognize that often the misery that people are suffering is as a result of too much power being in the hands of too few people.

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And so we seek to take that power and give it back to the people where it always belonged.

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And that’s really what libertarianism boils down to.

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We believe that you shouldn’t hurt people or take their stuff.

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You shouldn’t aggress against people, and that means that the government shouldn’t be aggressing against people.

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Right.

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What do you think the biggest encroachments are right now on government, as far as government taking our freedom away? The last two years have been probably one of the worst I’ve ever seen in my life, and I’m 57 years old.

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As far as the government coming in and really overreaching in a lot of different areas.

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The kobe regime was the greatest infringement on the rights of the people as a whole that I think anyone alive has experienced in this country.

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Obviously, there have been much worse in other countries during most people’s lifetimes, but in the United States, the koba regime as a whole, to the entire general population is the worst single infringement on the lives and rights of people as a whole in the United states right now.

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I would say that where the government is most, it’s hard to pick where the government’s infringing most because they’re pretty much infringing everywhere.

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I would say that the biggest infringement right now is on the it’s hard to pick, but I would say probably just the individual concept of people being able to make decisions for themselves.

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We’re sort of this wholesale assault on the idea that you should be the primary decider of your life and of your day to day, how you live your life.

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And that actually it’s.

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That freedom, that ability for you to make choices is really why things are why you’re having so many problems right now.

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If you just gave them more control and more money and more power, then things would be better.

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It’s hard to really say, well, this one specific thing, because they’re really hitting us on all fronts, so it’s hard to pick one.

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Let me ask you this.

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I mean, you had a lot of faces of the offenses going on, these offenses on our freedom.

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Who are the worst offenders, do you believe? Who are the faces of the worst offenders? Like as individual politicians? Not just politicians, bureaucrats too.

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There were a lot of them that contributed to this mess, this coban mess.

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If I had to pick one as an institution, it would be the federal reserve.

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Because you have to think, if this problem is if we called it a monster, the head of that monster is its ability to decide what money is, to create that money out of thin air, and then to use it to spend on their own political purposes and stick the bill with interest on it, on the rest of us.

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And so, without them being able to do that, their ability to be able to, for example, shut down the economy and hand people stimulus checks while also handing off trillions of dollars to the cronies who put them in office, or endless wars overseas to help the military industrial complex, or the over imprisonment of people here in the US.

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Any of the things that are happening that are a major infringement on our daily lives, rights and property are happening as a direct result of them not actually having to prove us provide us any value and prove that they have value.

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And that’s a direct result of them controlling the monetary supply through the Federal Reserve.

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Got it.

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What about the lockdowns pouchy and trying to force vaccines on people, trying to force people to stay at home, trying to force people to wear a mask? Well, first forcing them not to wear a mask, and then forcing them to wear a mask.

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And the thing actually, you can just decide for yourself, right? The COVID regime is what I call it, and that’s Fauchy and the NHS and all of that, right? That’s something that are the National Institutes of Health and that’s something that they’ve been wanting to do since 2005.

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So when the bird flew, when you say 2005, what happened back then? And why did they fall short on their goal? Well, because it didn’t come here, so they were worried about the bird flu.

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And so the Bush administration had Anthony Fauche, who was still in the position he’s in now, create an action plan for if the bird food came here and started spreading from person to person.

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And the plan they created for the virus, that had a 90% fatality rate, 80% to 90% fatality rate for the bird flu, they then used for COVID, which I think at its worst, they thought it might have a 3% or 4% fatality rate.

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Turns out it’s below 1%.

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Oh, it’s not even that.

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It’s not even that.

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And they used that lockdown regime for COVID and they introduced it to the states as guidelines, heavily suggested guidelines, and that’s how we ended up with the COVID regime.

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And it’s something they’ve had in place for 15 years at that point.

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Was there something behind it besides just the virus? What do you think? Well, you ran for vice President, so you got to have a feeling on this, you got to have an opinion on it.

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Yeah.

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So I think it was very telling that neither the Trump administration nor the Biden administration have taken any serious steps to really can’t Trump at least talked about it, but there was never a formal attempt to try to investigate the source of this virus.

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Right.

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There’s something there.

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I’m sure we’ll find out more as the years go along.

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Got it.

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If you look at the history of how government does things.

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But I will say, absent even that, any opportunity that government has to take a crisis and leverage it to get more power, they will do that.

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A terrorist attack, a virus, an economic crisis, whatever it is, government says, oh, wow, a bunch of people are really desperate right now.

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This is a great opportunity to convince them that they’re the problem and we’re the solution.

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And they did that with Toby.

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Right.

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All right, now let’s talk about you running for Vice President.

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You got the Republicans, you got the Democrats, you got the Libertarians.

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They’re usually the third party in line.

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Right.

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Very popular folks, too one.

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What’s Libertarian? Who ran for president of Libertarian area? How did you get to be the Vice presidential candidate, and then where did you go out to campaign and how did you run your campaign? So our presidential candidate was Joe Jorgensen, and our system is completely different from the Republicans and Democrats.

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That probably doesn’t surprise you.

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So in the Republicans and Democrats, they pick their presidential candidate, and then the presidential candidate decides who the VP is.

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With our system, the delegates choose the presidential candidate, and then the following day, they choose the VP candidate.

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So I actually ran for the Vice presidential nominee.

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Right? Yeah.

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So I actually got that.

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And then after we got that, in terms of travel, I went to 35 states.

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Joe and I combined went to, I think, either 47 or 48 states.

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Many of those 35 states I went to two or three or four times.

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Right.

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I had something like 200 events in a five month span of time.

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Basically, I slept about 2 hours a day.

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Wow.

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The awesome thing about that was I got to see such a wide cross section of America, right.

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From New England to California and everywhere in between, and it was absolutely incredible.

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But what was amazing was the common experience and the common complaints and the common hopes and dreams that I was hearing from everyday Americans across the country often went back to the same thing.

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Right.

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Things are getting worse and worse right now.

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We’re not quite sure why it is, but we’re sick and tired of being told, oh, it’s Team Reds fall.

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No, actually, it was Team Blue’s fault.

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Well, no, actually it was Team Reds fall.

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They want to know whose fault it is, what’s causing it, and how we can fix it.

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That’s why we got about 1 minute left.

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Sure.

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I want to ask you what’s it going to take to get a Libertarian candidate in the debates.

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In other words, I got to tell you, I followed you for a long time, known you for a long time.

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I would have loved to have seen you on the stage.

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Can you imagine? Shredding kamala Harris.

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Because she would have been done.

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I would have done at least as well as the fly day.

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Right.

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So the short answer is we need to get 15% or more in the opinion polls.

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Problem is, they don’t have to include us and they didn’t include us in the opinion polls.

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So the real answer to that question is we need to grow such a culture of liberty and such a base of grassroots support for liberty that they simply can’t ignore us.

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And if they do ignore us, it’s at their own peril because we’re getting more attention than anyone else.

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And that’s the work I’m doing now with my new organization, You Are the Power.

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That is the work that libertarians and liberty lovers here at Freedom Fest are doing across the country, and that’s the work that we have to do.

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Build a culture of liberty, invite people to come into it, show that our ways work better than anyone else, and move forward from there.

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Spike, as a and I do believe you are a very credible vice presidential candidate, when you sit there and you watch Kamala Harris, she has a track record of failure.

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Going back, we had one success wooing Willie Brown.

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She knocked that one out of the ballpark.

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Outside of that, every office she’s ever held has been a failure.

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And that’s not objective, it has been a failure.

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When you see someone like that who is on the ticket running against you in that position, how do you feel? I feel like identity politics was how she got in there.

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Here’s someone that at the time of protests across the country against police brutality and against abuses in the criminal justice system, they picked the architect of that system, Joe Biden, and one of its most brutal prosecutors, Kamala Harris.

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Right.

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And so now you see the obvious and logical conclusion of that.

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Actually, on our show, Buddy Waters of Freedom, we have a segment called Deep Thoughts with Kamala Harris, and it is where we have some segment of something she said where we then try to figure out what it was she just said.

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Clearly she didn’t know it.

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Right.

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So what’s next for you? Well, what’s next right now is we’re working on growing you or the Power.

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If anyone wants to get involved, we’d be happy to have you arethepower Net, and we are doing grassroots local activism to grow the liberty movement in the local grassroots level where it needs to grow.

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Fantastic.

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Going out from there now, are you going to be touring with this? You’re going to be out speaking all over the country? Oh, absolutely.

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The thing I do is more so than speaking at events.

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We show up to city council meetings, we tell them what they’ve been doing wrong and what they need to do to change it.

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So we’ve been speaking to sheriff’s department, school board, city councils, county councils, and we’re just getting started.

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Man very cool.

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Spike, where do people find you? You can find me either@spikecowen.com.

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You can find me@youwerthepower.net.

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If you’d like to join you with.

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The power.

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And if you look for me on social media, you can find me on Muddy Waters Media or Spike Cohen.

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I’m on all over social media.

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Or if you ever get lost, the North Star is just go to any ATF post and you will find me there.

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Cyberbullying.

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Front and center.

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Front and center.

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I love it.

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One more quick question for you.

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You got to run again? I don’t know yet, man.

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My focus right now is on growing the movement and we do from there.

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Good.

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Spike, thanks for being with us.

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Great to see you, buddy.

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I appreciate it.

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My pleasure.

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Thank you for doing what you’re doing.

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Stop in again later today or tomorrow sometime.

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That would be fantastic.

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This is freedom, fest life.

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Freedom Fest 2020.

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How are you? Oh, no, there’s not much.

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I thought Mach was coming in.

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Holy smokes.

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It’s good to have you back with us.

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Trisha, how you been? I literally I looked over and saw Maj.

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I thought Maj was coming in.

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I felt his presence behind me.

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How are you? Very well, thank you.

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I’m good.

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What do you got going on this morning? Oh, my goodness.

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I just got out of moderating.

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The panel discussion around the Grid Down Power Up documentary we were telling you about yesterday, it was incredible.

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Certainly I want to talk about that documentary once you get settled in here.

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First of all, it was great having you and Jeff in here with us yesterday.

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What you guys do with C Suite is amazing.

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Really amazing.

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And seeing the passion you guys for helping these entrepreneurs and these executives, pretty amazing stuff.

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Now let’s talk about the film.

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Griddown.

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Power up is David Tyson’s passion project.

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He made his business, his life and led in the financial sector.

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And when he found out what was happening with America’s energy grid, he took it upon himself to create and produce the full documentary of all of the threats.

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And it’s devastating to see across the spectrum, completely bipartisan scenario where we are completely vulnerable.

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When you think of us as Americans, we don’t think vulnerable, right.

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Well, we are not protected from energy searches, cybersecurity, natural disasters that would affect our grid, and the fact that well, we’ve seen this, we’re seeing rolling blackouts even in places like Texas where the grid certainly failed a couple of years ago.

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California has been failing for many years.

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Where are we vulnerable as a country to attacks on our grid? Well, what I will suggest is everyone go to griddownpowerup.com because that’s where you’re going to see all kinds of resources to make sure that we are getting the right kind of policies in place and implementing against them.

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Right.

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But it’s across the board.

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There are certainly things we can do as citizens, but also as business leaders.

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We can’t afford disruption that energy grid power down are going to cause.

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Let me ask you something, Trisha.

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You probably know this the energy grid here in the country? Is the entire thing tied together in some way, shape and form? And are there areas that are in better shape than others? There’s connectivity across the board because so much of everything in our lives now is totally connected.

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Right.

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And my expertise isn’t in that space.

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My expertise is I lead a network of 350,000 executives.

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So for us, what do we do as business leaders, and what does it mean? We talked yesterday about hybrid workplaces.

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Right.

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So if one grid is down or we’re having other employees and other staff in other areas able to operate, what are we doing in terms of securing our energy sources, keeping business going? And it’s kind of interesting for the executives that are out there trying to run businesses.

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You’ve got such a confusing group of ownerships within these rates, too, right.

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Some are like public utilities, some are privately held.

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They have to work together.

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And at the end of the day, who’s the gatekeeper of all this? There isn’t one.

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That’s the challenge.

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There isn’t one gatekeeper.

394
00:29:59,678 –> 00:30:02,302
So China wants to come in and shut us down or mess with us.

395
00:30:02,376 –> 00:30:12,050
Obviously, from a cyber standpoint, they can shut down our digital or our ability to be on the Internet, but shutting down our grid could be disastrous.

396
00:30:12,110 –> 00:30:13,570
It’s essentially the end of the world.

397
00:30:13,620 –> 00:30:14,220
Yes.

398
00:30:14,910 –> 00:30:20,510
Have we ever been attacked yet in that realm? Have there been attempts at it? Hundreds.

399
00:30:20,630 –> 00:30:26,186
Really? Hundreds of times we’ve been how does that work, by the way? Trish, I’m going to have to go to Main Stage.

400
00:30:26,258 –> 00:30:29,962
I may have to cut you off in just a minute, but I want to make darn sure you come back often.

401
00:30:30,036 –> 00:30:36,206
All right, so how would somebody attack our grid? So between 2010 and 2020, there are over 700 attacks.

402
00:30:36,278 –> 00:30:36,670
Got it.

403
00:30:36,720 –> 00:30:39,134
So it is an everyday occurrence.

404
00:30:39,182 –> 00:30:43,740
In fact, in the film, it says the Russians are already in our system.

405
00:30:44,310 –> 00:30:56,414
So it is a very real and imminent threat, and that’s not including if we had some kind of nuclear explosion above America and all kinds of other issues that are affecting.

406
00:30:56,462 –> 00:30:56,758
Got it.

407
00:30:56,784 –> 00:30:58,270
Trisha, I hate to do I hate to catch you up.

408
00:30:58,320 –> 00:30:59,690
We got to go back to Mainstays.

409
00:30:59,750 –> 00:31:01,514
Trisha Ben has been here from Csuite.

410
00:31:01,562 –> 00:31:02,402
I’m Kent Emmons.

411
00:31:02,426 –> 00:31:05,318
This is Freedom Fest to live from the floor.

412
00:31:05,354 –> 00:31:06,634
We’ll be back in just a little bit.

413
00:31:06,672 –> 00:31:08,750
Kennedy, now back to you on the Main Stage.